Reptile Removal

Editor's Note: You may remember this first post from a few months ago. It turned into an interesting conversation between a close-knit group of friends. I was fortunate to be carbon copied on many of the exchanges. I was definitely "on the outside looking in" and still don't understand all of it.

But I asked and was given permission to post it. It's rather like listening in on a private phone call and there are some breaks in the continuity, some emails missing. However, there should be enough of a silver thread to keep it together. The information is peppered with some good-natured humor among friends but in it are some real jewels of information.

So I've cleaned it up as best I can and now you're on your own, here.

Thanks,

Jocelyn


From: michael mourer [mailto:michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:49 PM

A few weeks ago I was visiting with a spiritual friend and I mentioned I had spotted reptiles on the backs of all the human meat bodies on planet earth, and had removed a few.

He then told me of David Ickes book on the reptiles. He had a copy which I scanned and the whole of what is occurring on earth became very clear to me.

The reptiles are definitely running the show. Their intention is the cleanest I have seen; they are not distracted from their mission, which David describes with great accuracy.

I also took a look at David and was rather amazed at the brightness of his aura. Most peoples auras, even when they are clean, are rather passive. Davids' is diamond bright and continually flashes outward in all directions. Quite fantastic. He did have a somnolent reptile blended into his back. I removed it.

Seems there is a hierarchy of reptiles who are attached to the humans. Starting from the bottom are the seventh level somnolent ones who will be activated by those reptiles in charge when they are needed to secure the, "new world order". These are the vast majority of humans. They who have no interest in the, "new world order".

Going up, the sixth level are a bit active and are guiding the lower level biz types and higher level bureaucrats mainly toward keeping their greed activated. This is true also for most of the money making "enlightenment types" and the heads of churches.

Next are the higher up elected politicians and the heads of large corporations world wide. These reptiles are fully activated and are running the human. These folks distribute the money and power. These are a blend of level 5 and 4. Example: Hillery is a 4 and Bill is a 5.

The 3rd level are the Rothchild types along with a lot of the royalty.

The second level are only three in number and operate out of England and Holland. They run the show on earth from the human bodies.

The first level reptiles are reptiles without a human body. They are located under earths crust and are the ones who are really directing the show. They are a bit frustrated with my recent removals. Removal was not in their planes.

The end product of the reptiles is world domination under a one world govt and to use the humans for cattle. (food)

The removal of the reptiles is quite simple:

1. Spot them on the body. Usually on the back with snout enmeshed in the lower brain and tail curved around the sex organs. Upper claws around upper arms, lower claws around torso.

2. AS you approach it turn on as much light and love as you can muster. This will awaken the somnolent ones and also puts you in charge. Assume a command personality. Tell them they have to go and direct them to where ever you want. Use you instinct.

I'll be glad to answer any reasonable questions. Don't care to get into fire fights with non believers. Thanks.

With love,

Michael Mourer

From: michael mourer [mailto:michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:58 PM

It has come to my attention one can cleanse most of what is bothering them from their "mind" by simply stop thinking out of the mind and start thinking/talking out of the heart consciousness.

All thought from the heart consciousness is self-correcting, if we will listen.

Hint if it ain't Joy, Loving kindness, Compassion and Equanimity it is not our natural state.

Speaking from the heart consciousness will dissipate the "mind". (pain and suffering)

Loves,

Michael Mourer

From: "Bob Taft"
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 12:52 PM

Hi Jocelyn: Thanks for the welcoming letter.

I find all of the reptilian data really interesting but of what value is it unless you can do something about it???

I noted an article critical of someone who is passing around information telling people that they CAN do something about it!!! So here is that information appended hereto.

I have been passing this letter about in hopes of hitting those of sufficient awareness to accommodate understanding of the situation. Slowly, feedback is coming from those perceptive enough to remove their own reps and from their families and associates. I've done it myself. You can too.

They are on ALL humanoid mammalians; they are not on the four-legged ones. They apparently feed off attitudes and emotions in their somnolent state, being particularly attracted to unhandled evil purposes, from this or past life cycles. Should they one day shift from the astral to the physical, they apparently have more serious designs on our animal life forms.

The more one does this the more proficient one becomes, in both perceiving the reps, and in sending them packing. After removing my third one myself, they seem to be leaving me alone. I have to wonder if it is because I ask them to pass on much love to their superiors, an emotion which to them is entirely alien. If one will mock up a sort of astral hand and grab behind one's back, often they can be felt as to texture and movement and size.

Particularly after the first one has been removed; they will replace that one with another. If you use your intention to send them off to rep HQ which is somewhere underground, their superiors apparently become quite agitated as they never imagined that anyone on this mudball would ever become sufficiently aware to perceive their covert game.

So, Jocelyn, it would be a great service if you would post this letter along with what I like to jokingly refer to as "Michael's epistle to the food source." You'll find that a lot of real psychics may have already perceived something on their backs, but had no idea what it was or what to do about it. Now they do!!

For assistance one might contact Michael at michael_mourer@hotmail.com with an underscore between his names.

Love, Bob Taft

From: Bob Taft [mailto:btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 11:31 AM

Hi Jocelyn: By all means use the material in your e-zine; the more this gets around the faster those who can handle it will start getting the job done.

I note your new address. No wonder I had trouble e-mailing you.

You can run it with or without addresses as is your policy though no one here is hiding behind anonymity, just trying to get the message across. Occasionally one runs into an entity-fed ego that can't tolerate such a message, but on the whole most seem to welcome the knowledge. Ego is loathe to admit the existence of what it cannot comprehend, let along physically perceive. I'm sure you've run across people like this. But I'd have no objection to leaving in a contact point, unless you think it might overwhelm my computer.

In time Michael will have a website that will cover this simple tech and will welcome linking to anyone interested.

I'm happy I got thru to you. I had tried David Icke but I imagine that's about like writing to a Congressperson!!

Love, Bob Taft

From: Jocelyn Savage [mailto:jocelyn@the-i.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: reptile removal

Actually, Bob,

I did post his letter some time ago but will do so again with your feed back.

J-

P.S. Of course, it makes the rest of us want to run to you or Michael and tell him to get this *(& off of me!

From: michael mourer [mailto:michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 12:01 PM
Subject: rept remove

Hi Jocelyn,

Removed your reptile. He was asleep and only woke up half way to Hq.

Rather large brown one; a heavy load.

Travel light.

Love,

Michael Mourer

From: Jocelyn Savage [mailto:jocelyn@the-i.net]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: rept remove

Michael, thanks!

So does this mean my health will improve? I think I "knew" when you did it - there was a subtle feeling of optimism that happened at one point today - strongly enough so I noticed it. There was a sense of things being right.

I have been carrying a heavy load, Michael, and didn't know why.....

So thank you. Now, how do I keep shed of them? I need to get my body put back together well.

I'm a little speechless about this at the moment....

Jocelyn

From: michael mourer [mailto:michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: rept remove

So does this mean my health will improve?

Perhaps. The repts do slow down the electronic flow. There are other "removals" that address health issues. I can send along the process, if you like.

I think I "knew" when you did it - there was a subtle feeling of optimism that happened at one point today - strongly enough so I noticed it. There was a sense of things being right.

Part of that could have been my presence in the removal. I put out a lot of love and light generally and really turn it on while doing the rept remove. The removal, however, usually brings relief in and of itself.

So thank you. Now, how do I keep shed of them?

Try to do it yourself per the off load procedure. If no, I'll be happy to look in from time to time if you will remind me. It is best if you do it your self; then you can do it for your love'd ones.

I'm a little speechless about this at the moment....

You are doing fine. I sense your heart in right place. Seems this will always carry us through.

Loves,

Michael Mourer


From: Roy
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 0:59

Hi Bob and Michael: Well, I'm finally getting around to answering and commenting on all the comm I'v been getting after a pretty hectic couple of weeks. We made the trip to Cheyenne, on to Colorado Springs to see my mother and back. It was nothing short of a race from beginning to end. Managed a few sales at the show, enough to make it worth while anyway. and returned home almost in one day, getting as far as Deer Lodge by 8:30, with 3 hours remaining it would have been possible to make it home, but we had the room paid for and it was too late to cancel so stopped and had a good night's sleep.

Since getting home I have been extremely busy getting ready for summer visitors of which there are four here now, two grand daughters and two girl friends from the San Francisco area. So, right now it's a noisy, happy, place. I've kept pace with your email Michael, and you seem to be doing well with the removals. I think it's absolutely great what you are doing, making the planet very aware of the game plans of the reps.

I don't know how real this business of attachment is to most, but with the populace becoming more and more aware, I am sure that the awareness will become more stable as time goes on. It is interesting that though I was aware of an attachment, I did nothing about it's removal, just looked at it as some sort of appendage, like a pigtail or something, and never did bother with it, thinking I'd handle it if it ever became a nuisance.

Pretty sharp of you Michael to go beyond spotting and into handling. What you are doing is going to have an enormous affect on the planet and its future. Enormous! With the growing awareness of the beings on earth, this removal will undoubtedly effect the rep future and is playing an extremely important part in structuring a cleaner future.

I am wondering if it is possible to handle a 2nd level attachment permanently, to remove a principal rep being, which is basically operating a human, would this leave an extremely weak, almost zombie like being in charge of the body? Maybe it would require a group of extremely ethical, clean, powerful beings to so remove an attached, level 2, and I'm wondering at the ethics of the process. It would be something to consider and examine. I mean, if there is a genuine, original, spiritual being beneath the attachment, does one have the ethical right to remove the rider? or attachment? and so free the original owner or occupant of the perhaps unwanted attachment?

Perhaps this is something that needs to be examined and evaluated ethically. I feel perfectly ok about the simple removal of a rept attachment, it's rather like removing worms from a dog or cat, or a human come to that, a matter of cleanliness, a matter of allowing the body to operate more cleanly and precisely, the removal of parasites such as a worms, flukes and so forth, can easily be accepted as removable items, but how big does the invader have to be before it can be considered as the owner/operator of the vehicle? It would seem to me to be a question that needs to be decided. It also appears to me that there is no point where the original ownership should be made invalid, in which case removal of even a #2 rept is perfectly ethical.

At one time, I viewed a confliction of two major thetans embodied in a 16 year old moron. His condition was brought about by the enormous pressure created by their confliction, confronting these two beings was an interesting project which eventually brought sanity and normalcy to the 16 year old lad, and also brought great happiness to an extremely loving mother, who to this day believed that God touched her son.( "The Impersonal Life" Michael.)

But there is a freedom involved here, which is untouchable, or should be, but when that freedom is enforcably twisted, whose ethics are out? The enforcer (rept) or the wanton, original inhabitant? I have been reluctant to remove rept. attachments without the full agreement of the host being, though I do view their removal as being ethical. I would suggest that one communicates with the host being or thetan, obtain their understanding and agreement, no matter how weak or faint the comm, almost like communicating with the flea to which apparently the dog is attached, but assuming that the original thetan is discernible and communicatable, that, it would appear to me is the key to ownership, a being has been forcibly put at effect and so handling would be totally acceptable. Just think of the charge that would be blown, the enormous freedom gained by the original being, also the tremendous loss by the invading rept. I get a feeling you guys that this is where the handlings should begin on the upper level rept. handlings. What sayest thou great ones? in love RoyK.

From: "michael"
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: catch up

Hi Roy,

Quite a trip!

Thank you for your observations on the ethics of rept remove. So far I have asked most folks I have removed from; with the exception of the known criminals, Hillary et all.

My take on the 2nd level repts is they are just repts and not connected to another life form. They the guys below the earth surface who are in charge of rept disposition on earth. I have not bounced the #2's around as yet. Doesn't seem appropriate at this time. I'll take another look when I finish my next cleansing.

Great to hear from you Roy. My love to the lovely one.

Best,

Michael

From: "Bob Taft"
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: catch up

Woops, I was wrong about your removing reps from #2s, sorry.
As this computer has shut off twice in the last few minutes, and as I can hear thunder, I'd better just turn it off before I get bit by a mouse like Julie's daughter did the other day. (Roy, lightning hit the house where Julie's 13 year old was on a computer, blew the fuses thru the fuse box, tossed the girl and her chair across the room. She was holding the mouse at the time, down in Australia. Had a check up at hospital but OK).

Love, BobT

Best Regards,
Bob Taft

From: "michael mourer"
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: catch up

Hi Bob,

Funny you should mention this :)).

Just last night I got excellent vision on shape shifter rept on myself and some further background info on earth rept history.

This somewhat tentative, :)) he says to ease the minds, :)) of the disbelievers.

Looks like the repts first arrived earth about 12,000 yrs ago. Landed in what is now Egypt area. Purpose was to colonize earth. They pretty good sized fellows and girls, 8 to 12 feet tall, sturdy builds, walking upright.

They immediately enslaved humans and put them to work on building projects and used them for food supply.

Pyramids were built for landing site locaters. Don't know how kings and such got into later.

It was determined not enough humans for sustainable food source; about 28 billion humans needed to feed and breed so as to feed future repts.

Very much would like you and Roy to take a look in this area for further clarification. Icky may have already covered this in his book. I just scanned it. Egypt as beginning of civilization indicates strongly; but for who? :))

See below please.

Bob:
If #2s are shape=shifting reps, how far does this go, to #3s?, #4s? It has been reported that Geo. Bush was a shape-shifter. What level is he??

Looks to me they are active down to #4,s. Some what active for #5's. Mostly somulant for rest of us. Seems we the cocoon for the shape shifters.

Geo. is a #4.

Where do rep shape-shifters end, and reps on the backs of mammalians begin???

Seems the repts have doubled up on all of us. This came to me last night as I spotted my shape shifter who had been doramnt became active. The removal is the same for both the back riders and the shape shifters. Shape shifters are a bit difficult to spot as the blend with whole body.

There can be nothing overt about removing the latter, as I see it. No more than calling the cops when you see someone crawling thru a neighbor's window.

Yes.

And as to the former, if they could be sent packing to HQ, that would be a major coup, in this games-playing universe.

(grins) yes indeed!!!

Were it possible to send the being off to HQ, that would leave a GE (Genetic Entity) in charge, a sort of zombie wouldn't it be???

My take is the shape shifter and the being co-habit the human body. Shape shifter goes the human stays.

As long as we're stuck here, gotta have some fun!!

For me, as the mystery drops away, the fun increases.

I'm delaying my solitude for a few days as this new development works it's way out.

Roy, hope you have time to look and give us your observations.

Bob, thanks for continuing to guide me in the right directions. Your guide work is truly amazing. Also please post this info to appropriate sites.

Thanks and love,

Michael

From: Bob Taft [btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:38 PM

Wow Michael, wish you might have left it simple, with just the somnolent ones to handle. I would open my big mind!!!

Please take a look and see if I was successful in removing an over-shaddower from self??? It is not inconceivable that this over-shaddowing may be the primary loss of awareness and ability, more than engrams and secondaries, electronic implants, BTs and AMs and astral entity domination, old comm lines, etc.

No, probably just a part of it, but I'd expect a big part. I get a rather creepy feeling of incredible improvement amongst the humanoids once this gets rolling. Might these guys be helping hold low emotions in place?? Even generating them????

So there really is a mammalian-prone thetan even with the #2s??? That makes it all more understandable. And as Roy says, perhaps it would take a group effort to generate enough light and love to handle the higher levels, #2s especially. As it is affinity (love) that holds the whole physical universe together, the removal of its opposite might offer an amazing effect.

The king/tomb business with the Egyptian pyramids is a modern notion created for the tourist trade. Julie K./tombless probably knows as much about the real nature of the pyramids as anyone.

Love, and Light, BobT

From: michael mourer [michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 6:47 PM

HI Bob,

Please take a look and see if I was successful in removing an over-shaddower from self???

Yes. Not a speck left. You must have had him clean up after himself :))

It is not inconceivable that this over-shaddowing may be the primary loss of awareness and ability, more than engrams and secondaries, electronic implants, BTs and AMs and astral entity domination, old comm lines, etc. No, probably just a part of it, but I'd expect a big part.

Yes. Big part. Mostly it takes us out of effect and into control.

I get a rather creepy feeling of incredible improvement amongst the humanoids once this gets rolling.

Yes. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I have been a bit to blasé' on the repts.

Might these guys be helping hold low emotions in place?? Even generating them????

Yes. Yes. Again thanks for guiding me to see it.

So there really is a mammalian-prone thetan even with the #2s??? That makes it all more understandable. And as Roy says, perhaps it would take a group effort to generate enough light and love to handle the higher levels, #2s

One person or a group can do. I can do now. Others as they get cleaned up and regain their confidence. As Roy says, we must stop selling ourselves short by continuing to play the human game (or rept as the case may be :))

especially. As it is affinity (love) that holds the whole physical universe together, the removal of its opposite might offer an amazing effect. The king/tomb business with the Egyptian pyramids is a modern notion created for the tourist trade. Julie K./tombless probably knows as much about the real nature of the pyramids as anyone.

Yes. Got a nice verify from her.

Loves,

Michael

From: Julie K.
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:49 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: catch up and new complications

Hi, Bob and Michael....

Yes, indeed, they originated at Giza. A sarcophagus was found there some years ago now with a reptile in it!! Yes, physical to the eye, photos were taken. I'll see if I can find someone with photos of this, as the website that originally had the photos on is no longer there. This is not rumour, but fact.

The pyramids held the Time (frequency/rhythm/beat) of Earth. No ships were needed to travel here, and maybe the beat was indeed a beacon. At present the pyramids can't be used for that purpose. Firstly, the beat is not working right now, and secondly, the grid activation prevents entry from outsiders for now.

Hope this helps! You are doing awesome work...keep it up!

Love.......Julie

From: "Bob Taft"
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: catch up and new complications

Thanks for the validation Michael. I tried it today on my kids also. In each case I sense misemotion, as with a secondary. I sensed the same misemotion when I did it to myself as I was writing to you yesterday. Can you spot where this comes from?? There is no such feeling from the hang-on reps, only from the over-shadowers, assuming it is coming from them.

Maybe the reps are not totally emotionless????

Of course the reps seem to be attracted to our emotions, which is what the astral is largely about.

I would also say they remove easier. Are they more awake and react to our intention easier, while the somnolent ones need more efforting??? Might they be in a bit of a shock when caught in their covertness???? Could they feel embarrassment when caught??? They have to have some sort of emotional tone level. How can a sentient being be a sentient being without emotion when he's stuck in the lower planes??? (Even if overt hostility might be their equivalent of our serenity)!!

How are these guys received at rep HQ???

I am starting thru David Icke's book again and will pass on anything significant. There are just so damned many crazy games going on in the PU, many overlapping and competing, and one really needs that score card to see what's going on. The Biggest Secret gives a lot of help.. But of course we created the PU as a games playing universe, and looking at the length of the time track, it could be nothing but complex. Until we take charge of it all again, we can be nothing but effect, over and over and over. (Take charge of it or graduate from it)!!!!!! Hooray, hooray!!!

If this removal business gets easier and easier with practice, I still have to wonder if we couldn't put out a blanket sort of postulate to clean out groups of reps from groups of people, without having to spot each one individually. Clean out a town, a county, a state, etc in one fell swoop. And all done with only love and light!!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Hundred degrees today again. Realtors brought someone to look, first in long time. Sheriff's deputy found cow and calf of ours fried by lightning.

Well, you have higher purpose to attend to Michael, than all this silliness.

Love, BobT

From: Bob Taft [btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: Fw: Fw: catch up and new complications

In addition to below, I'd guess that the top of the rep tone scale would be Boredom, being a lower harmonic of Serenity!!!

I will see if Amazon has The Biggest Secret and send you one. It is just so much more meaningful having gotten on to the rep removal tech.

One thing I read this AM, Icke mentions that Hillary is a real rep shape-shifter and Bill but over-shadowed, which would indicate that the dividing line is between #4 and #5.

I wish it were possible for you to comm directly with whoever gave David Icke the real scoop on the reps, assuming it is from someone else at a higher awareness level.

Best Regards,

Bob Taft

From: "Bob Taft"
Subject: Re: Fw: catch up and new complications
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:19:37 -0600

Well Hi Jocelyn:

Thanks much for the comm. Glad David is privy to what we are discovering. Re-reading The Biggest Secret again I find it crammed full of truth which some months ago was just data.

As for passing this on, there is no such thing as a secret, just a lot of withholdy people who think they have some sort of proprietary interest in what they say and think!!!

It would be helpful if you might pass our chatterings on to any who have assisted David in his compilations of the rep matter.

Some of our chatter may be a bit confusing as I often write Michael and he sends back my letter interspersed with his comments, so I think the >>s may delineate different originations.

David is on to the basic good/evil embodied game being played on the PU: mammalian vs reptilian. There might be other input he could get out of Michael, like the identity of the three #2s, in London and Amsterdam, should Michael care to so indicate. There is no one immune to Michael's scrutiny, if he is but aware of the target. That's why he MUST read The Biggest Secret.

Speaking of which, I don't know where the blanket condemnation of the Tafts might come from but that is in error, David. When Wm. Howard Taft was in the White House he blocked the Federal Reserve Act which caused the establishment to bring egotistical Teddy Roosevelt out of mothballs, splitting Republican vote, giving the 1912 election to Wilson, whose later mental problems I believe were because he knew better!! ( My Dad's uncle was first name on the Inaugural Committee list in 1909, for WHT, and was Chairman for Teddy Roosevelt). Because of his fathers actions towards the Fed, when Robert A. Taft ran for the Republican nomination in 1940, more bankers money was dumped into the convention to insure his defeat (One-World Wilkie won, you'll remember) than was expended in all preceding conventions put together. This was repeated in 1952 when Nelson Aldrich bankrolled the convention for Eisenhower. The White House has never had a serious challenge since and is irrevocably lost to the American people, especially since computerized election reporting now make the whole process merely academic. I had all the details of the double-dealing that went on in '52 explained to me later (I was in Germany that year, in the army); wish I had written it all down. Anyway Robert A. Taft scared the hell out of the establishment in those two conventions because in those days there were still a few Republicans in the Republican Party. Well sorry, just had to say that.

Love, Bob Taft

From: michael mourer [michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: catch up and new complications

Hi all,

Good to hear David is privy to rept remove. He has a very small one at the base of his neck and, even though David puts out mucho light, his shadow rept is still with him. I'll remove if you like.

Bob, as to sadness after shadow rept remove; sadness coming from both the rept and the human, the separation is sometime felt as a unknown loss. The loss seems to be just a generalized something which is not spotted by the being or the rept, thus it continues. Be best to explain this to the human and the rept before remove.

I am currently sending repts to a swamp land in NE Panama. They like it. Nice and warm and, for them, good smells.

Repts are sentient beings. They can move on the tone scale of life. The ones relocated to Panama seem very content and happy to be amongst their own.

Joyceln,

I removed your shadow just now.

Hope this answers the mail.

Loves,

Michael Mourer

From: Julie K
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: catch up and new complications

Hi, Bob, Michael and Jocelyn!

Good to see the work going on! I will have to get David's book and read it, as I haven't read it.

I have put out a call to various friends to get a copy of the photo, but no one seems to have saved it...still a few replies to come in, so we'll see. It was originally up on an Egypt archeaology site, but to my understanding was taken down some time ago. It was purported to be some particular "god's" tomb, but it was obvious what it was to most people!

Michael, When do you go sabbatical? What happens if I am sending these back to their "original source"?

I'm in the process of getting samples and tests done on this sky stuff, so if I don't answer straightaway, don't panic....I'm here and will as I can.

Love..........Julie

From: michael mourer [michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: catch up and new complications

Hi

Below please.

Michael, When do you go sabbatical? What happens if I am sending these >back to their "original source"?

That is where they would go. Probably the best location except I don't see any possible way for them to change there. If we keep them on earth they can blend into our higher awareness' (once we get there) :))

From: michael mourer [mailto:michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Amazon.com Your About You Area Public Reviews

Hi Bob,

Thank you for sharing your insights.

I keep trying to get away for my solitude, but the game is getting too interesting to leave. Plus, new stuff keeps popping up which needs to be shared.

Doing a lot of "thinking" this morning about games playing, which after all is why we created this physical universe. The state of one's mental/spiritual case certainly parallels the level of one's games. In an era when to most the biggest game seems to be "where do I find my next beer" (has there ever been a different era on the PU?) David seems to have taken on quite a chunk!!! Would be interesting to see his case condition, or lack thereof.

Lack thereof is most appropiate. He is the brightest being I have observed. Some of it is mocked up for PR and protection. He is benevolent to the extreme. Very angelic. Reminds me of archangle Michael.

("Case" is the sum total of the mental garbage that keeps us from being ourselves, that makes us compulsively grab a new meat body when we lose one, that keeps us in a constant state of trying to remember who we are and what we know, which is actually everything)!!! One gets "keyed-in" to case and is totally under control of that unnecessary impediment called the mind, or sometimes, one gets "keyed-out" and is able to source one's own higher knowingness. They write books about these guys. I know you've had the experience, Julie; your website is full of it!!

Yes. Julie is something else. I have never seen such lack of pretense. She is that all to rare totally honest being. Closest to pure love I have ever witnessed. Such a joy to know she exists.

Have to wonder where the motivation comes from that runs the ruling elite on this mudball. Only dominators seem to be in control, anywhere; no one pushes Freedom. I suppose it could to some extent be "case" plumb full of "evil purpose" or is it all coming from rep over-shaddowers, or a combination of both???? Huh, Michael?

Both. Human is almost totally automatic as long a he holds onto his egoism. His egoism creates the evil in him, yet he can't let go of his egoism; very catch 22. Only hope I see is for some to get cleaner and perhaps even clean and this will make it more safe to be sane and loving. I'm very excited about future for all of life. What we really need are at least two Christs or Buddhas at one time. This will make it easier for folks to let go of the ego/egoism life. Ego held in place by fear and hope.

I don't see any white hats out there, at least not in positions high enough to make any difference.

Someone once reckoned the time track of the PU to be something like 50-some sets of three digits long, in earth years I suppose. (The universe of universes is a very finite thing if you know how to step back and take a look). I'm personally just a new kid on the block; I've never recalled any experience on this mudball back more than around 2,500 years. Conceivably this could have gotten me into a lot of trouble at times; too dumb to avoid a lot of the traps and snares that others may have been more used to. Roy can recall his arrival in the old ice cube vehicle (used to entrap troublesome unembodied beings to transport them to prison planets, like this one). There are a lot of people out there who have recall on much of the real history of the PU. Sometimes they write it up, calling it science fiction, because they've forgotten the reality of its origin. (And some of these guys get quite upset if you suggest to them that it is not artistic creativity but past-life remembrance that is at work).

Michael, I appreciate your take on the origin of the sadness feeling I was getting on removal of the over-shaddowers: from both the rep and the being. Just like a little secondary engram (loss and misemotion). But can you see how high the rep emotional tone scale goes; is there anything above Boredom with them?????

Yes. They are fellow sentient beings.

Many have said they are emotionless but that's not true at all, especially sitting on the plane of emotion (Astral), but if they shared the higher part of the scale they'd perhaps not be in such conflict with us. One reads of entities on other planes having some sort of envy towards us on the physical which could be because of our possession of meat bodies (they should be so lucky) but I'd rather suspect because of our access to higher emotional levels, up to Serenity, and even above with an occasional one like yourself.

Seems like once you saw the spiritual source of reps as different than ours. Anything on that Michael???

I don't recall, I may have. It's like they are a different race of beings.
And very disciplined into antago/hate band.

Interesting place NE Panama to send the reps. Will do. Along that coast I see a town called Nombre de Dios, and another called R. Diablo, which I suppose is named for a rio of that name. And with all the new Red Chinese presence and their affinity for dragons, sounds like Rep Heaven to me!!!

Very large grins and giggles.

Jocelyn, that's great that you've discovered Apollonius of Tyana, the author of and inspiration for much of what is attributed to others in the New Testament. I must have a half a dozen books about that particular character. It was the wife of one of the later Roman emperors who commissioned Philostratus to do a write-up on Apollonius before all traces of him had been obliterated by the early x-tian church fathers. In this universe where primary purpose seems to be the creation of effects, one such as Apollonius must be really PO'd at the lengths that have been taken to hide all traces of his having even existed. Really!!! (But then that would be a normal humanoid reaction and at that time I'd imagine he was quite above such things, really)!!!

Bob, you be official librarian :)). Your scope of knowledge never ceases to amaze.

Getting back to games playing and "case" in hopes you haven't already hit the delete button, all this rep business is really interesting and even fun and certainly is something that greatly affects us all, in the condition we're in!!! But changing that condition is hugely more important and that seems to be Michael's basic purpose on this mudball at this time. He already has some very simple tech that can be self-audited that causes huge case gain in individuals to whom it applies. I don't know if he created it, or just remembered it. An L. Ron Hubbard would probably almost kill for such tech; he was apparently still having thousands of hours of flows run on himself at the time he dropped his body in a vain attempt to attain what Michael has already attained. (And I'd expect that purity of purpose also greatly applies here).

Yes. On cannot be evil and free. Nothing happens of a true spiritual nature until the altruism (making decisions based on what is the best for all of life) kicks in.

Love to all,

Michael

From: Jocelyn Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: catch up and new complications

Hi All,

It's somewhat confusing, all of this. It's also very important information. I think that this should be shared with the people who read Icke's magazine... but in a more back-to-basics kind of way.

Is it possible for someone to write what they know for the layman? Or maybe everybody give a piece of what they've learned to date on the rep rider/rep removal process?

Where I get lost is in comments like - a sense of loss when they're gone, banishing to another state (seems like they could just find a new host easily enough). Etc.

When I say basics, I really mean it. What is the result of them being on you? What is the result of them being removed? What do you do to keep shed of them? Etc. etc.

Pls. let me know how you feel about this.

Thanks,

Jocelyn

From: Bob Taft [btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: catch up and new complications

Hi Jocelyn:

Let me attempt some answers to your questions, bearing in mind that I am in no way as perceptive as Michael and Roy. I consider myself about as psychic as a fence post, and am a bit surprised that I can perceive these parasitical hangers-on as easily as I do.

What have I learned of this to date?? That one can easily verify the simple truth in The Biggest Secret that we are indeed controlled (more or less) by reps. Had I not had Michael off on his sailboat in Alaska ready and willing to remove my first one, I may have never gotten started even perceiving them. He saw the first one and removed it. I could sense the second one, more active, squirming, rubbery feel, and I suppose because it moved when I grabbed it with my mocked-up astral hand, I could also sense its size.. He removed my second one. I sensed its removal and a new, smaller one. I told him; he said "you do it" and darned if I didn't, though it took two goes at it to get a bit of remaining shadow. So much for the back-riders.

As for the "sense of loss" you have to know something of mind content and mind mechanics to understand that. This was only with removal of the over-shadowing reps where I could perceive a bit of grief each time I did a removal, which by the way seems much easier than removing the back-riders, possibly because these over-shadowers are more awake, more aware that they are being intended off and away, possibly in a bit of a shock at being discovered and removed by what they may well believe to be a more powerful (and therefore more dangerous) being than they. For this removal I use two astral hands, on both sides of the head.

The most basic source of aberration a being encounters when stuck in a meat body is called an engram, a moment of pain and unconsciousness along with accompanying numerous perceptics at the time of the aberating engram, often a violent death. A secondary engram contains a sense of loss, and misemotion, usually grief, such as when one loses a loved-one. We collect these types of incidents in long chains since we first entered the physical universe and assumed a body identity of one kind or another. It is apparent to me that removal of an over-shaddower creates a small secondary, which Michael has identified as coming from both the being-in-charge (that's us) and the rep who is losing his home. As I cannot recall ever inviting him aboard (can you??) I find it strange that his removal should in any way affect me except perhaps in a positive way.

How might he find a new host? Exactly the same way we do, by standing in line at the local hospital, or at one on the other side of the mudball from where one just dropped a decrepit body. I think we generally ally ourselves with old friends when we find ourself once more " mealing and puking in our nurse's arms." Actually there is no such thing as a stranger; we have to 'forget' in order to play the game.

As for the result of their being on us, I would assume that as with any aberating mind content, these guys might cause both physical and mental effect, perhaps more so in that unlike usual astral entities, they even carry along with them an astral body form. Normally astral entities that attach themselves to embodied beings furnish the host with a tremendous ego, along with a whole mess of data, often pure garbage, which the host assumes he or she is originating. Surely at the higher levels of rep over-shadowing the situation would be the same. The more aberated a being becomes the more he will insist on his being right, and everyone else being wrong.

And as for any positive result of rep removal that people have detected, I think you may have mentioned something along this line perhaps Jocelyn. I know Julie has. Others have felt both mental and physical change, be it slight, still positive change. And most positive of all perhaps is that if one will but make the attempt at removal from self and others one will find one's ability to perceive and perform increases with each attempt.

And last of all, how to keep free of these guys, I really don't know. I think they have possibly been on this mudball longer than the mammalians. Actually all of these life forms can exist fairly well, though stupidly, without such as us at the helm. They are not of our real nature, even the mammalian ones. As for myself, they now seem to leave me alone. Why? Perhaps they think of us as gods, when we get on to their game. And this really isn't too far from the truth!!!

And then Michael made an interesting comment about the idea of sending the reps off to Panama which shows where he's coming from: "if we keep them on earth they can blend into our higher awareness, once we get there." I hardly think the reps would be so disposed towards us.

Well, Jocelyn, hope I haven't made things more confusing, no doubt others may offer additional light.

Love, Bob Taft

----- Original Message -----
From: "jking"
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 4:32 AM
Subject: RE: Fw: catch up and new complications

Hi, Bob!

Sorry it has taken me so long to reply...I have been flat out here and also getting the outside interference again....I must be near getting an answer on the sky trails for them to do that. I thank "them" for confirming my research.

I have not been able to find anyone with that pic of the rep. The original pic was on the following website...... http://www.akasha.de/~aton/HO-OSIRIS.html It is no longer there, and my understanding is that the website owner was not aware of what was actually in that photo.

You all are doing a great job! Once I get a bit of time here I want to do a spread on my site with links to all the various articles on this.

Can't wait to see the article!

Love......Julie

From: Bob Taft [btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: catch up and new complications

Hello Julie:

That is a really neat website on the supposed tomb of Osiris. Perhaps they'll put back the photo of the body; so many photos are missing. When they remove their "under construction" signs if the photo is not there, I see an e-mail address at the end. From Denmark I assume.

Don't think I was on this mudball when all this took place. Perhaps later I was in Egypt. Siwa seems familiar.

Are you in comm with Will Thomas, up in BC??? I've heard him several times on chem trails. He was going to get samples and have them analyzed also. Your efforts would make an interesting comparison perhaps. Can't find a website for him.

Do give Jocelyn your take on rep removal process.
Love, BobT

Best Regards,

Bob Taft

From: Jocelyn
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: catch up and new complications

Thanks, Bob,

I'm going to take all this and edit it into something cohesive -- or at least give it a real try.

Then I'm going to invite questions and comments from the readers. Let's see how much we can learn and grow through this. Just imagine if enough people developed the ability.....

Michael - thanks for your note. Looking forward to your input.

Anybody else? Please - I'll use first names only and direct the readers'input back to me. That way everyone's identity as well as peace & quiet will be protected. Then I'll send it on to this group. The varied input will really help all of us to understand this.

Thanks for all of this.

Jocelyn

From: Bob Taft [
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: catch up and new complications

Good deal Jocelyn:

The main thing is just DO IT!!!!!!

Imagination at first becomes more solid later. Practice makes perfect, so the saying goes. One need not sit in a Q&A over the business but just mock up an astral hand and see what happens. If I can do it, anyone can. It would be especially interesting if you can pull in a bunch of psychic types who can really "see" the reps. I expect this is something that can grow and grow, and who is to say that others elsewhere on this mudball are not already into this, assuming they have a Michael handy to start it off.

One more thought I had on the matter of the overtness of the reps in latching on to "our" bodies is that in a very real sense we are also being quite overt in assuming our bodies, though this compulsiveness to have a humanoid form has been going on so long that our parents would be quite taken aback should they knock and find no one home!!!

I taped an interview off radio a while back of a fellow who deliberately allowed himself to be challenged around Area 51 and each time was accosted by people who were quite business-like but when he would talk them off their intended line of communication they would become quite flustered and not know what to say. Like robots, all seemingly of the same age, born (if I can use that word) in the late 40s. Have to wonder if there were beings in those bodies!!

But anyway, we have the mammalian track so the reps are out of bounds.

Love, Bob Taft

----- Original Message -----
From: "michael mourer"
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Is this entity stuff, or reality based??

Hi Bob,

Below please.

Hi Michael, thanks for looking at that long-winded channeling supposedly from Sanat Kumara. I get a lot of stuff from the source that sent me that, much of it such BS that even I can see it, being in the BS (and CS) business of course!!

(Grins)

Orion is a constellation where I believe I've often read that the reps do come from. You're right on there.

Thanks. Seems like their only home base.

Speaking of cleansing people with a glance, do look at Melinda K. who I wrote to and mistakenly called her Melissa, sending you a copy. While I wrote her I made an attempt at removal of both back-riders and over-shadowers. If you would be so kind, see if I did any good. I felt like I was feeling her reps. I had suggested that she ask you if she wanted an assist.

You got them both. Good show! There was a bit of reptile mass left. This stuff is agreements the Meat being had with the rept being. Light and love does the trick on dissolving.

I think it would be quite interesting to comm with higher level reps, get their whole track history, right from the reptilian's mouth, so to speak. Everything they do with our mudball's leaders is quite covert I expect. Why not initiate some comm at a higher level???

Excellent oh mighty guide! Will do this eve and will take notes and let you know my take.

Much loves,
Michael

From: Bob Taft [btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Is this entity stuff, or reality based??

Well Hi Michael:

I'm proud of myself for what I did with Melinda, thanks for looking. See how easy it is to build an ego???

You say a residue is there from agreement from the Meat Being. Same as GE (genetic entity, a la Hubbard)???? I was thinking the other day that perhaps the little Secondary emotion I was getting might be coming from the GE instead of the from the Thetan (Being). After all, the GE would have been around when the reps were on the surface of this mudball.

I take it the Orion reps are the Irish branch of the family????

Love, BT

From: Bob Taft [btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Is this entity stuff, or reality based??

Woops, sent it off before I made my comments.

Now why two reps?? If the over-shadower is following the GE, why the back rider also??? Is he attracted to mind masses. I think we had already decided that to be true.

So the over-shadower is attached to the GE via the meat body. and the back rider is attached to the mind masses via the meat body. That's why we have two of the lovable beasts!!! One for each side of our mammalian existence, mind and body. They are not attached to our own beingness (except indirectly in that we drag mind garbage along life after life), probably don't even know it exists, and probably do not know that they also have a spiritual beingness. This makes sense, to me at least.

Love, BT

From: "michael mourer"
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Is this entity stuff, or reality based??

Hi Bob,
You are most welcome.

I'm proud of myself for what I did with Melinda, thanks for looking. See how easy it is to build an ego???

I see no prob on ego building; seems most popular (grins).

You say a residue is there from agreement from the Meat Being. Same as GE (genetic entity, a la Hubbard)????

Yes. I see it totally as a sadness of separation from the GE/body combo.

I was thinking the other day that perhaps the little Secondary emotion I was getting might be coming from the GE instead of the from the Thetan (Being).

Yes.

After all, the GE would have been around when the reps were on the surface of this mudball.

Yes. Thanks I was uncertain on this. Whether or not the rept stayed with the being or the body/GE line.


I take it the Orion reps are the Irish branch of the family????

(grins) to almost fell of chair while snickering and snorting.

Loves,

Michael

Just starting with the David Icke's book. Rather amazing. Sure fits with the current haps. Only gripe is he is obviously stealing my stuff :)).

From: Bob Taft [btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Is this entity stuff, or reality based??

Hi Jocelyn:

It's really not too complicated, this thing we call MIND, and the compositeness of our life forms is simpler.

When I mentioned the other day that these bodies did not need us to function, that's because the GE can do the job, albeit stupidly, of running a meat body. All the nonsense about cloning that we hear so much of lately would produce bodies run by GEs, not run by spiritual beings, as we are. The GEs are probably very old degraded beings that have been involved with meat bodies for a very long time.

We are not in that bad a shape, though doing our best to catch up!!!

The thing that drags us down is the mind. You've heard the saying "A mind - is a terrible thing to have!!!" (Well, now you have). The primary cause of our mental aberration is the engram, containing pain and unconsciousness and accompanying verbal data which can become quite aberating when keyed-in at some later time. Then we have secondary engrams containing loss and misemotion. In addition we have actual connections to other people (beings) with whom we've interacted in past lives. Then there are often astral entities attached to us who feed us all manner of sagacious silliness, along with inflated egos. Then there is what Michael Mourer discovered a few years ago: AMs (animal minds). These are little automaticities we created to relieve us of having to handle day to day routine in running a meat body.

But we gave these artificial entities the ability to duplicate themselves (to furnish back-up) and we have them by the trillions today, in the shape we are in. (Michael has about run himself out of AMs which is why his abilities as a being are fast turning back on). Then we have electronic implants, often administered between-lives, but also frequently done while embodied consisting of two opposing flows to either side of the body. These are to scramble our understanding, turn off our ability to see our own mental image pictures, etc.

We are not bodies, bodies are just something we have been compulsively using for much much too long. There are two ways to know who you really are, 1) is to be able to operate exteriorly from the body, voiding time and space limitations, 2) is to be able to see your own time track of past lives, who you've "been" and what you've done, none of which has any importance today, here and now, but it tells you that your present body is as temporary a vehicle as any you've worn before.

Our native abilities as a spiritual being consist primarily of being able to postulate anything we want into or out of existence (like "let there be light, and there was), perceiving what is about us, and considering what is, was and will be.

We need no bodies or minds to do these things, but in the condition we are in thanks to our accumulated mind masses, we do have bodies and minds and if we are ever to reasume our rather divine existences as all-knowing, all-powerful spiritual beings it behooves us to do whatever we can to rid ourselves of all that which holds us down. On top of which, we now have to add a pair of astral reptilian beasties!!!!

But, as we now know, the latter are easily expendable.

Hope this does more than add to the confusion.

Love, Bob Taft

From: Bob Taft [btaft@wyoming.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Is this entity stuff, or reality based??

Hi Julie:

You've got it!! Loss and misemotion. You know exactly what I mean. But I would also suppose the same would be true in the removal of any old astral being. Right Michael??? I am not perceptive enough, "in the condition I'm in," to do that, yet. I know I'm removing reps because I can feel them, because they have more of a "body" along with their beingness. Most astral entities are hung up on the astral because they lack the astral guts to get involved in another meat body. They are too low on the emotional tone scale. But not too low that they won't try to mess with someone else's game. And invariably someone who is being directed (or misdirected) by other entities has a great big fat ego and a lot of stupid "truth" which he or she insists is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

You do a great service by removing these characters, and possibly directing them off to the nearest hospital to get back into the PU game.

As for where to direct them, as their presence is uninvited, and they are overtly/covertly interfering with another's game, I wouldn't feel too concerned as to where I sent them. With the normal astral entity, the hospital is the place. With the reps, I wonder Michael, would they rather go back to Orion????? You might ask them that on your next visit.

Also you might ask them inasmuch as we mammalians do not relish reptiles for food, where do they get off eating our life forms???? (And what brand of steak sauce do they prefer)?

Love, BobT

From: Julie K.
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: Is this entity stuff, or reality based??

Hi, Bob and Michael!

Okay, this has brought some things to mind for me that make a bit of sense from my experiences.....

I have done a lot of Light work over the years....and a lot of "rescue" work...that being the sending "home" of various spiritual entities, usually "lost" and confused.

Firstly, there is a sense of loss when they leave, and the person they were attached to feels emotional at their going (so do I, I feel everything they both feel when doing that work, though I remain detached from taking it on board). So the secondary emotion makes sense to me.

Now I have found when doing rescue work, that it must be done with much Love and with the highest intentions, with God's will, and with respect for the spiritual being. If the reps are spiritual beings, then shouldn't it be the same? THAT is the reason I don't choose somewhere for them to go to, I just send them back to their source..."home" (wherever that may be).

Just my 2c....does this make sense to you?

Love ya both much.......Julie

From: michael mourer [michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Is this entity stuff, or reality based??

Hi All,

You've got it!! Loss and misemotion. You know exactly what I mean. But I would also suppose the same would be true in the removal of any old astral being. Right Michael???

Sounds good to me.

I am not perceptive enough, "in the condition I'm in," to do that, yet.

Oh flunk! No self inval allowed :))

Part of another conversation:
I know I'm removing reps because I can feel them, because they have more of a "body" along with their beingness. Most astral entities are hung up on the astral because they lack the astral guts to get involved in another meat body. They are too low on the emotional tone scale. But not too low that they won't try to mess with someone else's game. And invariably someone who is being directed (or misdirected) by other entities has a great big fat ego and a lot of stupid "truth" which he or she insists is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Hear him. Hear him.

You do a great service by removing these characters, and possibly directing them off to the nearest hospital to get back into the PU game. As for where to direct them, as their presence is uninvited, and they are overtly/covertly interfering with another's game, I wouldn't feel too concerned as to where I sent them. With the normal astral entity, the hospital is the place. With the reps, I wonder Michael, would they rather go back to Orion?????

They seem to be enjoying their vacation at the beach.

You might ask them that on your next visit. Also you might ask them inasmuch as we mammalians do not relish reptiles for food, where do they get off eating our life forms???? (And what brand of steak sauce do they prefer)?

Heinz 57 with a bit of additional garlic. Very tasty.

Loves,

Michael

From: michael_mourer@hotmail.com
To: Tom C.
Subject: Ridding the Reptile
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:27:47 -0700

Michael,
How do you develop the skill to see the reptile to remove.

My take is one doesn't develop a skill per say; one removes the pollution that obscures ones spiritual vision. The way I did this is with AM removal and trusting my intuition. Also the spiritual work I have done over the last few thousand years has helped me to see better.

Is it possible to remove it without the ability to see it?

Perhaps one doesn't have to actually see it; think it is enough to sense it.

What is the spiritual feeling once one of these devils is removed so that its removal can be validated (assuming that you cannot physically see it).

The feeling varies; most folks, during first removal, feel a sense of loss then relief once the loss is identified. The body works better because the electronic flows move with less resistance. Some say they feel lighter less confused.

Blessings to thee also,

Michael Mourer

From: michael mourer [michael_mourer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 5:09 PM
To: Tom C.
Subject: Re: Ridding the Reptile

Michael,
One more question. Once you remove one of them, can they re-attach themselves to you. How do you insure they won't come back?

Hi Tom,

Excellent question. So far they don't come back. However, new repts are sent in by HQ. Seems they have an automatic replacement system that stops after three replacements.

Best and good hunting,

Michael Mourer

Best Regards,

From: Jocelyn
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:50:11 -0500

What's a GE?

From: "michael mourer"
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 5:55 PM

Genetic Entity.

Words made up by Hubbard (Scientology)

It's the part of the human make up that runs and maintains the body stuff, heartbeat, fluids, breathing and such.

My take is there is no such entity per say and the body takes care of itself quite nicely when properly fed, rested and not made to do what it doesn't want to do. Body is a fun lover; not into adult lifestyles; childlike.

From: Bob Taft
Friday, September 01, 2000 10:47 AM

Hi Jocelyn:

Bear in mind that this character called Homo Sapiens is a composite being, made up two separate lines of control: first, a genetic line (a body) which is matter animated by spirit or thought going back to single celled creatures and containing a cellular recollection of its existence, and second, a spiritual being (a soul) which is literally entrapped in and under control of mind masses which it has accumulated since its involvement in the physical universe (PU) and which among other things gives it a compulsion to take over a physical body for the purpose of identity which is something it thinks it must have, in the condition, at this late date, in which it finds itself. The being also has its own time track, jumping from one genetic line to another.

The body does not need the being, and the being does not need the body. The body can function quite easily, though stupidly, without the higher beingness in control (or at least the being thinks he's in control) which is why Hubbard gave it its own label of GE (genetic entity) though in no way is this an entity in the sense that a real spiritual being is a separate and individual entity. Likewise, a Being can function quite well (much better in fact, as a "God") without the impediments of either mind or body.

It is interesting that the reptilians recognize both sides of our composite beingness, in that they have one of their kind over-shadowing the genetic body, and a second back-rider attached via the mind masses. They are more perceptive than we are, "in the shape we are in." But I still have to wonder if they are not of a different order of beingness than us, slightly lower, but again much higher than the GE.

But understanding all of this it must ever be realized that our own salvation and goal must be to disentangle ourselves from both mind and body and to function consciously once more from the higher plane we were on before we involved ourselves in all this here/now stuff. Hey, then if the reps want to eat the mammalians, let 'em have at it!! (It would be fun to get hold of a Reptilian Cook Book, wouldn't it?).

Love, BobT










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